Wednesday, October 30, 2013

AM I WEANED OR UNDER SUCK?

In the study 400 or 430 years in Mitsyarim/Egypt we saw that the barayat/covenant was in full force when the bondwoman and her son were cast out because Yitsaq/Issac was under threat of Yashmael/Ishmael being the HEIR so the covenant couldn't have come in force with the son of the bondwoman living under the same roof. For details you may refer to my study in the following link : https://www.facebook.com/notes/shodan-agnel-dsouza/was-yasharal-400-years-or-430-years-in-mitsyarim-egypt/10211135919055165/


That's the time when Yitsaq/Issac was not under any tutor(nurse) but WEANED and this would be around the age of 5. The scriptures don't tell us the exact age of Issac when he was weaned but the pattern definitely shows to the number 5 and we will see and understand this pattern in this study.
Just to reiterate we also saw that we are children of promise as Isaac was IN MASHIYACH who is the SEED of ABRAHAM

Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Messiah.

Ga 3:29 And if ye be Messiah's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, the seed of Abraham by conception by the Ruach/Spirit is Messiah and we who are in Messiah are counted for the seed in YITSAQ/ISAAC.

 Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Yitsaq/Isaac was, are the children of promise


So if we are as Yitsaq/Issac children of promise the question I need to ask myself is am I weaned or still under SUCK/TUTOR?

Just to reiterate in the study 400 or 430 years in Egypt we saw evidence of royal sons under nursing and we saw Mephibosheth and Moses as examples. We need to understand the significance of being under nursing/tutor from scriptures.

2Sa 4:4 And Yahunathan/ Jonathan, Saul's son, had a son that was lame of his feet. He was five years old when the tidings came of Saul and Yahunathan/Jonathan out of  Yazrael/Jezreel, and his nurse took him up, and fled: and it came to pass, as she made haste to flee, that he fell, and became lame. And his name was Mephibosheth.

Mephibosheth was Yahunathan/Jonathan's son who became lame in the feet as his nurse dropped him. Many infants were assigned nurses especially those of royal ranks and Yahunathan was Saul's son (of royal rank as Saul was king) but usually the mother's nursed their own children. Here Mephiboseth was 5 years old and still was nursed which usually is an age of completion of Nursing and the child is WEANED.

Moses was also nursed: Ex 2:9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child and nursed it.


We have many examples of weaning in scriptures but apart from the Mephibosheth example there are no direct scriptures which say at the age of 5 a child was WEANED. So it's mandatory that we search the scriptures to see the pattern. This study will help us do that. Firstly we must see why one of the ten commandments states to honor the father and mother. Let's view the commandment in the view of spiritual vs spiritual comparison.

Yahusha taught us in the new covenant that the ten commandments summarize as 2 commands:

1. Love Yahuah your Alahym with all your heart, mind, soul and strength & 2. Love your neighbour as yourself.  The command of honouring father and mother falls in the first set of commands. 

Deut 5:16 Kabad/Glorify your father and your mother, as Yahuah your El has commanded you, that your days may be prolonged and that it may go well with you on the land which Yahuah your El gives you.

The word 'kabad' H3513 is translated in English here as 'Honor' but it is the same word for 'glory/esteem'

While the physical command stood binding and even so stands today as Yahusha rebuked the Pharisees for teaching people that if anyone had a gift to give his father and mother and if he said its Qarban he or she has not sinned...

Mark 7:10 “For Moshe said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’”;

Mark 7:11 “but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Qarban (that is to say, given to Elohim),’”

Mark 7:12 “you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother”;

Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of the Elohim by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.

H7133 Qarban has 82 occurrences in the OT and means something brought near the altar, that is, a sacrificial present: - oblation that is offered, offering.

Qarban comes from the root word ‘qarab’ H7126, H7127 & H7138 which means ‘offer, come near, approach, be near’

Ban in Qarban means Son

The word ‘Qarab’ has the root words ‘qar’ which means ‘call’ and ‘rab’ which means ‘master’.

Hence, it's the call/qar of the rab/master who is the Son/ban

Before Turah came written on tablets of Stone qarban was taught by the father and mother to their sons and daughters, sacrificing to Yahuah to be in covenant with him and of the promised Messiah who would be that offering. Habal/Abel, Abraham, Yitsaq, Yaaqob were all before the Turah came written on stones and were taught Qarban by the father and mother... Remember the mother/am played an important role in weaning her child as she was responsible to bring her child in fear and admonition of Yahuah. The father was equally responsible in teaching dabar to his weaned sons and daughters.

For detailed study on Qarban you may visit here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/shodan-agnel-dsouza/qarban/10212880128139302/

The father/ahb and mother/am were qodesh who taught their children the way of Yahuah and hence...Ex 20:12; 21:17; Le 20:9; De 5:16; Pr 20:20 where it says that whosoever curseth his father and mother shall surely put to death.

Gen 28:1  And Yitsḥaq called Yaʽaqoḇ and blessed him, and commanded him, and said to him, “Do not take a wife from the daughters of Kenaʽan. 
Gen 28:2  “Arise, go to Paddan Aram, to the house of Bethu’ĕl your mother’s father. And take a wife for yourself from there, from the daughters of Laḇan your mother’s brother. 
Gen 28:3  “And Ěl Shaddai bless you, and make you bear fruit and increase you, and you shall become an assembly of peoples, 
Gen 28:4  and give you the blessing of Aḇraham, to you and your seed with you, so that you inherit the land of your sojournings, which Elohim gave to Aḇraham.” 
Gen 28:5  So Yitsḥaq sent Yaʽaqoḇ away, and he went to Paddan Aram, to Laḇan son of Bethu’ĕl the Aramean, the brother of Riḇqah, the mother of Yaʽaqoḇ and Ěsaw. 
Esau Marries an Ishmaelite
Gen 28:6  And Ěsaw saw that Yitsḥaq had blessed Yaʽaqoḇ and sent him away to Paddan Aram to take himself a wife from there, and that as he blessed him he gave him a command, saying, “Do not take a wife from the daughters of Kenaʽan,” 

Gen 28:7  and that Yaʽaqoḇ had obeyed his father and his mother and had gone to Paddan Aram. 

The father and mother even taught their children to take wife and husband from among Yasharal and not from pagan gentile nations. The father and mother taught the call of the Master who is the Son (Qarban) to come near the altar in seeing.

Hence the glory of the Father and Mother was a ruach blessing even passed on to children's children. Hence, we see when Yitsaq blessing Yaaqob Esau lost his bakar/firstfruit barakath/blessing because he disregarded the firstborn sonship blessing who was Messiah's salvation. We also see Yaaqob blessing his twelve sons who were progenitors of Yasharal the nation which sprang from them as 12 tribes. 

Spiritually since the covenant was made with Abraham (and his name has the Ahb in it ) the spiritual seed Qarban would spring forth from him who is Mashiyach. Also Sarah which has the Sar/ruler and rah/to see is typified as Mother Yerushalam.

Gal 4:22  For it has been written that Aḇraham had two sons, one by a female servant, the other by a free woman.

 23  But he who was of the female servant/Hagar was born according to the flesh, and he of the free woman /Sarah through promise.

 24  This is allegorical, for these are the two covenants: one indeed from Mount Sinai which brings forth slavery, which is Haḡar,

 25  for this Haḡar is Mount Sinai in Araḇia, and corresponds to Yerushalayim which now is, and is in slavery with her children.

 26  But the Yerushalayim above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 27  For it has been written, “Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who do not have birth pains! For the deserted one has many more children than she who has a husband.” 

 28  And we, brothers, as Yitsḥaq was, are children of promise.

Gal 3:16  But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed, who is Messiah.

So we see the Qar/call of the rab/master ban/Son drawing us close to the altar to see Yahuah Yarah which means in the mount of Yah he will be seen/rah & who was seen? YAHUSHA. The word rah in Resh alaph hey is a root word in Sarah name.


The rah is the fear of Alahym which comes when we see the awesome sacrifice /qarban of the Son. Thus anyone cursing father and mother, anyone saying Qarban by despising the father and mother will be killed by second death because he despises the birthright /bakar barakah/blessing, he despises qarban/sacrifice, he despises Turah and Dabar as taught to him by his father who stands in place of Covenanted Father Abraham and Mother Sarah who stands for New Yerushalam where he has potential to go through the way of Qarban. While the carnal command called for stoning of the son who despised his father and mother who taught him the way the spiritual command is hidden in the physical.

You can read my study on Qarban to understand how in Mashiyach we become a Qarban ...As Yahusha left his fatherhood and Mother Yerushalam to become one flesh with us fulfilling Gen 2:24

Gen 2:24  For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 

The ‘ashah’ /wife i.e.WE were taken from the ‘aysh/man or husband's and are of his bones and of his flesh. She becomes one in his offering/qarban to the father in fulfilling perfect obedience by honoring the father and mother and also is an offering/qarban set apart for us in calling us to enjoin with him.

Heb 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the coming near/qarabath offering/qarban of the body of Yahusha the Mashiyach once for all

Pro 1:8  My son, heed the discipline of your father, And do not forsake the Torah of your mother; 

Pro 1:9  For they are a fair wreath on your head, And chains about your neck. 

The commandment was obeyed by Yahusha on our behalf and it is he who reveals to us who the Ahb/father is and who the am/mother is. In him we become the ashah/fire offering like Qarban in him thus being able to perfectly obey the command of kabod/glorfying ahb/father and am/mother, for the covenant was made with Abraham the father/Ahb of multitudes and Sarah the princess bearing the prince/sar flowing /rah through her from whom comes the seed as stars.

Abraham: The name Abraham has root words Ahb/father abar/fly ham/waters


The fathers wings fluttering over many waters

We see this picture in Gen 1:2

Gen 1:2  And the earth came to be formless and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Elohim was fluttering on the face of the waters.

Sarah: Sarah is actually with samek not shin




Sah is root in Sarah's name which means 'sheep'

Sar/prince rah/flowing sah/sheep

'From the prince is flowing the sheep'

The word basarah which means 'good news'/Gospel' has Sarah rooted in it



Basarah: Ba means 'IN'  Sarah

Who is in the womb of Sarah?  The promised seed.

So we need to look at the covenant father Abraham and Mother Sarah who represent the Heavenly Father and New Yerushalam.

Ba/in basar/flesh Sarah/princess ----in the flesh in Sarah

'Yahusha came in the flesh'

All in Yitsaq/Issac are weaned and not under suck of breasts or under a nurse 

Gal 3:23  But before belief came, we were being guarded under Torah, having been shut up for the belief being about to be revealed. 
Gal 3:24  Therefore the Torah became our firm truth/amanat unto Mashiyach, in order to be declared right by belief. 
Gal 3:25  And after another/acharay belief has come, we are no longer/aud under/tachat hand/yod haaman/of belief. 
Gal 3:26  For you are all sons of Elohim through belief in Messiah יהושע. 
Gal 3:27  For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. 
Gal 3:28  There is not Yehuḏite nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. 

Gal 3:29  And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise. 

The 'hand of belief' is the father and mother or the nurse who would wean the child till he is able to establish right from wrong from Turah. The Greek to English translations are a big error as they use 'tutor' for 'amanat' whereas 'aman' means 'firm' and 'amat' means 'truth'. They also omitted 'acharay' which means 'another' in the English translation and the 'yod' which means hand'. Now this makes a lot of sense in what Shaul is saying as it ties up with what nursing and weaning a child meant in Turah.

Heirs of the promise and the Abrahamic covenant is in full force in a weaned Yitsaq/Issac who is able to discern between good and evil.

Hebrews 5:13-14 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. [14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

5 foolish virgins are those who suck breasts and the 5 wise virgins are the weaned ones eating strong meat. The 5 foolish virgins got grace and the stake right but went to Hagar to buy oil while the 5 wise virgins were ready to meet Yahusha as they were weaned from  BA (in) SARAH. 

We see the number 5 used in 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins.

What Mephibosheth lost when he was 5 years old was restored as he ate at the kings table for the rest of his life. 

 2Sa 9:10 Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread always at my table. Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants.

Benoni means son of my sorrow. His name was changed by Yaaqob to Benyamin which means son of my right hand. His portion of food was 5 times more than his brethren given by Yoseph a type of Messiah and Benyamin represents all weaned sons of Alahym.

Ge 43:34 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benyamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Ge 45:22 To all of them he gave each man changes of raiment; but to Benyamin he gave three hundred pieces of silver, and five changes of raiment.

Luke 12:6-7 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before Alahym? [7] But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

5 sparrows sold for 2 farthings likened to elect who are more valued than sparrows.


Leviticus 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

The tabernacle was measured in 5's. Read Exodus 25-27 chapters

Daniel prophesied of the 5 the kingdom as eternal in Daniel 2. Here are the verses

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things : and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.


Out of the 4th beastly kingdom comes out kings continuing the beastly rules.


Daniel 2:42-44 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [44] And in the days of these kings shall the Alahym of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


Read first part of verse 44 which says 'In the days of these kings Alahym will set up an eternal kingdom'. 

Number 5 is associated with those in full force of Abrahamic covenant.

In Yitsaq/Issac the promised one who was weaned and no longer under tutors( nursing) but eating strong meat having his senses exercised to do good and shun evil.


Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Genesis 15:7-13 And he said unto him, I am the Yahuah that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. [8] And he said, Yahuah Alahym , whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? [9] And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a young goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. [10] And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. [11] And when the fowls came down upon the carcasses, Abram drove them away. [12] And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. [13] And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

I'm going to share few observations on the above passages.


Abraham questions Alahym when his seed would inherit the promised land. Alahym asks him to take an heifer three years old, a young goat three years old, a ram three years old, and a dove and pigeon. All these were permitted in the sacrifice which speaks of atonement with dove and pigeon being poor mans atonement sacrifice. All these 5 sacrifices speak of Messiah's sacrifice and again we see the number 5 associated with the 400 years of affliction with it's starting point being when Yitsaq/Issac was 5 years old and the HEIR as the bondwoman and her son are cast out.

Luke 2:22-24 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Yahuah; [23] (As it is written in the law of the Yahuah, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Yahuah;) [24] And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Yahuah, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Mary and Joseph offered a pair of turtle doves and pair of pigeons when Messiah was presented. 
The sacrifices three years old and the fire that passed through the divided pieces show Messiah and his third part in Great Tribulation fire.

Abraham drove the fowls who came to eat the sacrifice which shows Alahym protects his third part through Satan w
hereas the flesh of the whore is eaten.

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

And so also those who are captivated by the beast, their flesh is eaten. The eating of flesh is symbolic of devouring and Alahym protects his elect from the devouring. Satan may persecute us and afflict us with all sorts of problems but he cannot devour us (affect our salvation).

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The sun was going down when a deep sleep fell on Abraham when a horror of darkness fell on Abraham

Deuteronomy 16:6 But at the place which the Yahuah thy Alahym shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

This points to Messiah death and our lives hidden in him. Passover lamb sacrificed at sun going down. The law which came much later said not to divide the turtle doves or pigeons.

Leviticus 1:14-17 And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the Yahuah be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons. [15] And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: [16] And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes: [17] And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Yahuah .

When Messiah was presented in the temple Mary/Miriam and Joseph/Yoseph offered turtle doves and pigeons a pair each. The birds were not to be divided because they were already offered in a pair.

And the offering of the pair of turtle doves and pair of young pigeons was a poor mans sacrifice which pointed to his poverty for our sakes.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Yahusha Messiah, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Hebrews 13:12-13 Wherefore Yahusha also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

We are commanded to bear his reproach. The turtle dove and young pigeons speak of his poverty and the reproach Messiah took on him and we bearing his reproach.

2 Corinthians 4:8-10 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; [9] Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; [10] Always bearing about in the body the dying of Yahusha, that the life also of Yahusha might be made manifest in our body.

So here we have Alahym showing us spiritual imagery of the Great Tribulation his own Son went through and we the elect in him. The seed of Abraham was Messiah and we in Messiah as Isaac are the promised ones. The one who is WEANED and not under any NURSE or SUCK but those who are outside of Alahym's covenant and are trampling the court are the sucking child's who have no discernment of good and evil and can't exercise their senses to discern between good and evil. They are under nurses who teach them doctrines of milk and they are DEVOURED because they can't understand truth.

Lu 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

La 4:4 The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them.

So the question AM I WEANED OR STILL UNDER SUCK?







2 comments:

Anthony said...

Yes, 6th beast is Rome which Christianized pagan doctrines and that's why the beast was most dreadful. 7th beast is the divided kingdom (partly clay and partly iron). It shows that this divided kingdom had the strength of Iron (Rome). This in reality speaks of divided protestant denominations with the strength of Rome's pagan dodctrines like Trinity, eternal torment, soul in heaven and body in grave, etc.

Rev 17:11 speaks of 8th beast which is of the 7. This is very scary picture because the last beast No. 8 is actually from protestant divided kingdom that understands dark sentences and have come out of their respective churches. Now this leads to 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins coming out to meet the Bridegroom. The wise having the wisdom given by God and the foolish lacks wisdom as they still carry baggage of Rome. One is weaned and drawn from the breasts while the other still in suck. This is very scary picture. We are very close to the end.


Unknown said...

Some people like Tony Silva doesn't understand that great image Nebuchadnezzar dreamt depicts beastly kingdoms. The feet of partly clay and iron depicts beastly kingdom after Rome. Historically we see it is protestant divided kingdom with the stength of iron. Iron beast Rome brought those abominable doctrines of trinity, souls going to haven/hell while body in grave. Tony silva believes in all those and has no discernment of historical fullfilment of prophesies and accusing you of falling in every wind of doctrine while he is holding on to those abominable doctrines and receiving no correction.