Are angels Person/s? -Part 2-Discussion from Carm forums

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Thom1000 you are being dishonest. I have answered all questions you asked me but you have not. What about ignoring John 16:27 and John 17:8? Didn't you ignore these scriptures till date because these scriptures crumble your theology where you state Messiah was the person called Word besides Alahim and he came from besides Alahim? These scriptures are clear Messiah came out of Alahim.

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I didn't answer your questions because the mediator of the Old Covenant was Moses, and the Mediator of the New Covenant is Yahusha Messiah. Period. Simple. 

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It is simple to you because you don't want to see the whole counsel of Alahim. You want to remain with the simplicity of only what you want to see. The questions I asked you were not made up questions but from Alahim's word. So is it safe for me to assume that when Thom1000 is reading the bible and when he reads those scriptures he just skips those passages because it doesn't make sense to him and he is not interested to search out the matter?

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(I've even dialogued with 'Messiahians' who even try to prove from Scripture that the saints are saved by destruction in the Lake of Fire, the Second death. That is simply false. What do you think? But Scripture can be twisted out of context to make certain things appear plausible. But thank Alahim for the Holy Spirit who teaches the saints to see! Jehovah's Witnesses also 'spiritualize' or 'symbolize' many things in Scripture, teaching it out of context. Sometimes you remind me of them. I'm not saying that everything you speak of in a spiritual way is false. But a lot of it is off. It only takes a little deviance to be far off from the truth. You sometimes 'spiritualize' things so much that you end up in opposition to the fundamentals.) 

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That's off topic. We are not discussing lake of fire and I am not interested in what discussions you have had with other Messiahians on various other topics. I can see clearly that you are not interested in the things of Alahim and you just omit passages from the discussion as though they don't exist in the Bible. You are dishonest in discussion because you don't want to see what the opponent is saying and not even address it.[QUOTE]If you are attempting to say that angels are mediator of the Covenant, then that is against Scripture. Performing certain functions in conjunction to the mediator does not make one the mediator. 

So, is that what you are saying? That Moses was not the only Mediator of the Old Covenant, but angels were too? And that Yahusha Messiah is not the only Mediator of the New Covenant, but angels are too? 

You have not proven from Scripture that angels, who assist in certain things, are the mediator. Scripture says Moses was the mediator. Angels were not the high priest either. Yahusha Messiah is the Mediator and the High Priest. Angels are not our Mediator or High Priest. Are you saying otherwise?

Am I missing the point? Let me know please.

Here is what you wrote before regarding the mediator of the Old Covenant and the Mediator of the New Covenant:And here is what I posted:

Mediator of Old Covenant-- Moses:"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator". --Galatians Chapter 3

Mediator of New Covenant-- Yahusha Messiah:"...to Yahusha the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel." --Hebrews Chapter 12

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The discussion was on the 'ANGEL OF THE YAHUAH' and Alahim's representation of Angel which you assume was the person called Word. I am showing you from Alahim's word that you are in complete error in making such an assumption based on these appearances.

Ex 3:2 And the angel of the YAHUAH appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Ac 7:30 ¶ And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Yahuah in a flame of fire in a bush.

Alahim's word says Alahim is invisible and no man has ever seen Alahim at anytime.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen Alahim at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

You and other trins claim that Moses saw Alahim and spoke to him face to face and deny that Alahim's appearances were mediatoral and through a REPRESENTATION which was not a IMAGE OF GOD but his similitude (of what the Son would be).

If you would focus on the appearance of Alahim as an angel of the Yahuah in a flame of fire and compare what Bible says about the angelic representation and the ministration of angels in this representation you would see the whole picture. I can show you this.

 Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

The Greek word for 'ministers' is 'leitourgos' which means a functionary in the Temple or Gospel. The Angelic representation/appearance was a functionary in the OT Temple and the Gospel of Messiah. Alahim himself appeared in the functionary of this representation. He even used angels Gabriel and Michael who also were functionary representations of Messiah. I showed you the meanings of Gabriel and Michael names. That's why we see Messiah coming with the voice of archangel because he is the fulfillment of that ministration of flame of fire

1Th 4:16 For the Yahuah himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Alahim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:

John sees Messiah's eyes as the flame of fire. Why eyes? What does this symbolize? Because his representation was seen in these angelic representations/appearances like the one on Sinai-angel of the Yahuah in a flame of fire

Re 2:18 ¶ And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of Alahim, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Gabriel comes from the words 'geber' and 'el' and geber means MAN and el means GOD. So in English MAN of GOD

Michael comes from three words in Hebrew 'miy' 'kiy' 'el'

Miy means 'Who'
KIY means 'assuredly'
'el' means 'Alahim'

Who assuredly is as Alahim.

Both these titles point to the Mediatoral role of Messiah and fulfilled by Messiah as just as he is the head of man he is head of all principality and power. Col 2:10

Moreover our discussion passage was Gal 3:19 which shows us this truth

Ga 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was arranged thoroughly by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Angelic representation was used by the invisible Alahim in appearances to show us the mystery of Messiah. I also showed you from Jude 1:10 and comparison with Zec 3 passages where the dispute of Satan was not for the literal body of Moses but the ministry of high priesthood which was imperfect as the high priest needed to offer sacrifice for himself first and then for the sins of the people and there was a change of raiment given to Yahusha the high priest which allowed him to continue till the perfect high priest came i.e Messiah.

Consider these passages which are synonymous with the victory Messiah would get for his people over Satan (by his death and resurrection) who accused them before Alahim through the law. What does Zec 3:2 passage say?

Zec 3:2 And the YAHUAH said unto Satan, The YAHUAH rebuke thee, O Satan; even the YAHUAH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

What does Jude say?

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Yahuah rebuke thee.

The war that John speaks in heaven is not a literal war but the war Messiah won against Satan by the cross. John quotes that Michael and his angels fought. Also Daniel uses Michael the prince who stands up for his people-pointing to Messiah standing for his people.

Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our Alahim, and the power of his Messiah: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our Alahim day and night. 

Alahim used angelic representation to give the law (Gal 3:19), to guard the pattern (Messiah) and we can see this by Alahim placing Cherubim in the garden of Eden with a flaming sword which turned every way to guard the tree of life and tree of life is symbolic of Messiah.

Ge 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Cherubims were even overshadowing the mercy seat from where Alahim said he would speak to Aaron and Moses from between the cherubims.

Ex 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. 

So these appearances were not a Person called Word as you state but Alahim's representation/appearance of Angel of the Yahuah based on futuristic mediatoral role of the Son. The ministration of the flame of fire was fulfilled through Messiah who is the image of the invisible Alahim and hence the symbolism used of his eyes being a flame of fire. Alahim used angels who were part of this representation and even they did not know until the mystery was revealed through Messiah. Alahim always is invisible and not even one can approach him (1 Tim 6:16). The invisible Alahim is only found in Messiah who is his image.

Speaking about spiritual things. The Bible is a spiritual book and one needs to be spiritual to connect to Alahim. Only Alahim can make that connection.

 Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Lastly the voice of the Yahuah divides the flames of fire-shows the distinction which you assume person of Son of Alahim before he actually came, thus you have the cart before the horse

Ps 29:7 The voice of the YAHUAH divideth the flames of fire.

Isa 66:15 ¶ For, behold, the YAHUAH will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the YAHUAH plead with all flesh: and the slain of the YAHUAH shall be many.

Compare Isaiah 66:15-16 with "The Yahuah rebuke thee". Satan and his people were rebuked at the cross and it was determined by the measuring line who would belong to Messiah and who wouldn't. This is MEDIATION-Messiah mediates both the wrath and the mercy of Alahim.

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Are angels Person/s? Post from CARM

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Thank you. Thank you for you honesty.

So, Messiah, whom you say is the Quickening Spirit-- is he still a person/individual now? Yes or no?

This can be said only of Messiah because he represents Alahim to man and man to Alahim. He is the MEDIATOR and no one else is. That's why 1 Corin 15:45 says Last Adam a Quickening Spirit.
Last Adam a Person our representative and Quickening Spirit Alahim's representation.
No other man or anyone else in heaven and on earth can be in this WAY. Messiah is 'THE WAY' 'THE LIFE' John 14:6
Hope you see this truth?

Messiah, who is uncreated and came out from Alahim, is a person, (as you agree). The angels whom Alahim created, are persons. And you and I, whom Alahim created, are persons. Also, your son, who comes out from you, is a person, who is not you. And your wife, who is one with you, is a person, who is not you.

No Angels are not person/s, they are spirits (pneuma) Heb 1:7. They did not come out from Alahim. They are no MEDIATOR/s. They were part of the mediation of the law but not the mediator who came out from Alahim. Only Messiah came out from Alahim and partook flesh and blood and is the only PROSOPON

Ga 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

All men are PERSONS because we can be seen, felt, touched, spoken to, heard from, relate to as husband, wife, mother father, son etc (relationships) and it behoved Messiah be be like us in every way

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to Alahim, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham

A person is not just a human, as you know. A person is one who has individual self, and characteristics unique to that self. (Even dogs have individual self; unique 'personalities'. One dog's 'person' is not the same as another.) I am aware that when we say 'person', most of us think of a human. But we are not the only ones who have individual self and personality. Humans are greater than dogs. Angels are even greater than humans. And Alahim is far greater than angels.

No No No No Dogs are not persons. They are not like us in anyway. They may display some characteristics like intelligence, faithfulness etc but NO they are not Persons. They are not in the plan of salvation, they have only one relationship with man, the man is their master and the dog is the subject to that master. No dog can be our father, mother, son etc so you got this completely wrong. That's why I asked you to see the dictionary meaning of a person.

I'm sure that I don't have to evidence that the created angels are individuals, do I? The angel Gabriel is not the angel Michael. And Michael is not Satan, whom he was disputing with over Moses' body. They are individuals.

Thom1000 like I said the Angels were part of the mediation of Alahim's word before the actual MEDIATOR came and hence we have Paul saying in 1 Thess 4:16 that Messiah will come with the voice of the archangel which you have no clue about

1Th 4:16 For the Yahuah himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Alahim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:

Since you brought up Gabriel and Michael, look up their names in Hebrew to find out what they mean. Let me help you.

Gabriel comes from the words 'geber' and 'el' and geber means MAN and el means GOD. So in English MAN of GOD

Michael comes from three words in Hebrew 'miy' 'kiy' 'el'

Miy means 'Who'
KIY means 'assuredly'
'el' means 'Alahim'

Who assuredly is as Alahim.

Both these titles point to the Mediatoral role of Messiah and fulfilled by Messiah as just as he is the head of man he is head of all principality and power. Col 2:10

Ga 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Till Messiah the MEDIATOR came angels were part of the mediation. Remember when Adam and Eve sinned Alahim placed a Cherubim in the garden of Eden and a flaming sword to guard the tree of life lest man eat of it and live forever. That's exactly what scripture says. Just because these angels appeared doesn't mean they are persons. They were just ministering spirits who worked in the office of mediatorship till the actual Mediator came who is Messiah. Their names point to Messiah.

'm sure that I don't have to evidence that the created angels are individuals, do I? The angel Gabriel is not the angel Michael. And Michael is not Satan, whom he was disputing with over Moses' body. They are individuals.

The angels that rebelled and didn't keep their station, but sinned and follow the cause of Satan, is proof that they are individual persons who made and make choices. Even the demons who possessed the demoniac man, called Legion, showed that they were many, and had individuality, and were self-aware of their upcoming torment in the judgement.

So, how can we enjoy the deep things of Alahim with one another, if such elementary common sense things are disputed? It is a hindrance. But if we together believe what is written, then we will be of one mind.

Michael was not not disputing the actual body of Moses. Again one needs spiritual ears to understand what is being said here. Moses represents the law and Satan was the accuser of the brethren who through the law accused Alahim's people

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Yahuah rebuke thee.

Michael did not accuse devil of his sins before Alahim but prophesised in the name of the Yahuah. The Yahuah rebuke thee and this was fulfilled when Messiah died on the cross thus destroying the works of the devil. We must compare spiritual with spiritual.

Jude is quoting Zech 3 not the actual body of Moses. Zec 3:2 says Yahuah said unto Satan, the Yahuah rebuke thee. Jude records that the words were said by Micahel the archangel

Zec 3:1 ¶ And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the YAHUAH, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the YAHUAH said unto Satan, The YAHUAH rebuke thee, O Satan; even the YAHUAH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

There is no contradiction here because Satan can never ever come before Alahim's presence to accuse man, satan's accusation is through the law and man stands guilty before Alahim because there is not a man who has not broken Alahim's law except for Messiah the perfect high priest. He accused the imperfection of the high priesthood of the law (Joshua the high priest)

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

It's interesting to see the name 'Yahusha' which means Yahuah saved. The very name of our Yahuah. The high priest in the OT stood in the name of our Yahuah (Yahusha our Savior) who is the MEDIATOR and offered sacrifice for their sins first and then the sins of the people. Satan doesn't know Alahim's wonderful plan and hence he accused the office of the high priest making the high priest guilty before Alahim. Satan saw the imperfection of the law and thought he was victorious in getting the whole world guilty of sin through the law, even the office of a high priest, but Michael prophesied (as stated by Jude) and prophecy is as it is from the mouth of Alahim (Zec 3:2 says Yahuah said) and the prophecy was "The Yahuah rebuke you"

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Messiah kept the law perfectly and he is the high priest who needeth not daily to offer sacrifice for himself. Even for the people he did it once when he offered up himself. Messiah has redeemed us from the curse of the law (Gal 3:13). He is the perfect high priest.

There was a change of priesthood. This truth can be seen in the Zec 3 verses

Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

There was a change of for raiment/garment/priest hood

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Alahim allowed the office of the imperfect high priesthood inspite of the accusation till the perfect high priest came and all OT high priest stood in the office of the Yahuah Yahusha.

Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Messiah, that we might be justified by faith.
Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

These are spiritual things which need comparing spiritual with spiritual. These appearances of angels of being part of mediation doesn't mean these angels are PERSONS and that they have hands, feet,eyes, nose etc as we do. They are ministering spirits and we must believe Alahim's word. When sent they appeared in a form to convey the message of Alahim but you can't catch that form and say he looks just like me so he is a Person.

Piercing of Messiah's Soul- Luke 2:34-35

I was reading book of Luke and I came to chapter 2 where Simeon prophesies about Messiah that he is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel and for a sign which shall be spoken against-this struck me and made me look up in the Greek for word to word on verse 35 and I am sharing because the English semantics seems to teach that the sword will be piercing Mary's heart but this would be inconsistent as the sign that Simeon is speaking about in Luke 2:34 is of Messiah. Also it doesn't make sense how Mary's soul would be pierced that would reveal the thoughts of many hearts. This would sound like Maryology. We must be consistent with interpreting scriptures.

What was the sign which shall be spoken against?

First the verses in English which seems to teach that the sword pierces Mary's heart and translators and commentators got this wrong because unless Alahim opens the hearing one cannot see truth :

Lu 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. 

Now in the Greek word for word on verse 35

Luk 2:35  καὶ σοῦ δὲ αὐτῆς τὴν ψυχὴν διελεύσεται ῥομφαία, ὅπως ἂν ἀποκαλυφθῶσιν ἐκ πολλῶν καρδιῶν διαλογισμοί. 

και (kai :And) σου ( soo: thy) δε (de: moreover) αυτης ( autos: his) την (Ho: that) ψυχην (psuche: soul) διελευσεται ( dierchomai: pass through) ρομφαια ( rhomphaia: sword) οπως (hopoce: so that) αν ( an: whatsoever) αποκαλυφθωσιν ( apokalupto: be revealed) εκ (ek: of) πολλων ( poloos: many) καρδιων (kardia: hearts) διαλογισμοι (dialogismos : thoughts)

I will put it in simple English : And thy moreover his that soul shall pass through a sword so that many hearts thoughts be revealed.

The soul piercing is not of Mary as the translators would have us believe but of Messiah as he came out from Alahim (Logos made flesh) and this is consistent with Heb 4:12 'Dividing asunder' and John 16:27 and John 17:8 where Messiah claims he came out from Alahim.

Heb 4:12 For the word of Alahim is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from Alahim.

Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

The sword shall pass through his soul is in future tense because he was only a babe to realize his externalization from Alahim and this realization came when he grew in Alahim's wisdom and grace and opted for 'morphe (nature)' of a servant as stated in Phil 2:7 because he realized that mortal man cannot be equal to Alahim. When he found himself in the fashion as a man he humbled himself to the point of death.

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

There are 2 Greek words used for sword

1) machaira : which shows a judicial / literal sword (for justice) as used in Heb 4:12 and you can look up many passages-the usage shows for justice

2) rhomphaia: which is used as figurative in Luke 2:35 and else where

A Here are few examples of Machaira as used in Heb 4:12. 

For Justice: Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword( machaira).

Literal sword: Ac 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword( machaira), and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

For justice: Ro 13:4 For he is the minister of Alahim to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword( machaira) in vain: for he is the minister of Alahim, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The piercing in Heb 4:12 shows Alahim's justice in giving us a Savior by piercing himself and separating soul from spirit and his thoughts(plan) revealed to us and this justice is also meted out to man as only Alahim's logos can divide asunder his soul from spirit (to show distinction) making him naked before Alahim as stated in verse 13 of Hebrews 4.

Re 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

B Here are few examples of rhomphaia as used in Luke 2:35

All figurative: Re 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (rhomphaia): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Re 2:12 ¶ And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword (rhomphaia) with two edges;

Re 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword (rhomphaia) of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Luke 2:35 shows the effect of the sword that pierces Messiah's soul which made Messiah distinct from Alahim (in externalization as he came out from Alahim when incarnated) and as a sign which will be spoke against/debated by many that they know him and in this way he will be a rock of offence/falling of many to those who do not know him/mystery of Alahim. How do we know this? because Luke 2:35 says .....'so that many hearts thoughts be revealed'

Lu 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Messiah; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

The Logos of life (1 John 1:1 and in John 1:1 shows 'that Alahim was that Logos' ) was separated from the breath of Alahim (Spirit)/LIFE, just as  Soul from Spirit as stated in Heb 4:12 (Dividing asunder) and made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14)and hence Alahim gave us a Son who came out from his own BOSOM (John 1:18) completely externalized from his SELF face to face with creation representing the invisible Alahim as his IMAGE (Col 1:15) and one who bears his OWN SUBSTANCE (Heb 1:3).

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen Alahim at any time; the only begotten Son, which was (Original Greek word used there is eimi which means 'was' and not modern Greek which uses 'oan' which means 'is' )in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The sign of Messiah truly will be the rise and falling of so many as all Messiahians claim to know him but then they have their doctrines of dividing Messiah to a god of their own making. Trinity, Unitarians, Oneness Pentecostals, Jehovah Witnesses and so many cults and groups to whom he is a rock of offence/falling.

Only Alahim's elect will understand Messiah's person.

This mystery was hidden in all ages but was now revealed through the holy apostles through whom the revelation of Alahim came in complete.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in Alahim, who created all things by Yahusha Messiah:

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of Alahim, and of the Father, and of Messiah;

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Those who have pierced him are those who have INSPECTED him (understood his dividing asunder) in mourning for him as one mourns for his only son. This is a picture of repentance to those whom Alahim has called as stated in John 1:1 'and that Logos existed unto/towards Alahim'. Rev 10 says when the seventh angel sounded the mystery of Alahim will be finished.

Also read 1 These 4:16 Messiah comes with the trumpet of Alahim. He is the one who reveals the mystery of Alahim. 
It will be time that those who rejected his image and misrepresented him will bow their knees and confess that Yahusha is Yahuah to the glory of Alahim the Father

Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Yahusha Messiah is Yahuah, to the glory of Alahim the Father.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of Alahim should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Yahuah himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Alahim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first: