Originally Posted by Messenger 
Originally Posted by civic How is a Son born into this World? In the same way. The Son did not pop down from heaven LOL. He was born through the virgin birth.
Alahim's breath inseminated the Logos into the seed of the woman and the holy one born through her was called the Son of Alahim
Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of Alahim.
Do you know the need of a SON?
If you understand these terms in scripture and their relation to usward will you understand the need of a Son
'firstborn over all creation'
'firstborn from the dead'
'firstborn among many brethren'
'firstfruits of them who slept'
Messiah is all this as a SON so that we be ADOPTED as sons of Alahim
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, Alahim hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Yahusha was not an adopted Son. He naturally called his Father as 'Abba Father'
Mr 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
I/We can relate to Alahim only through His Son. That's why Alahim planned within himself that he would externalize himself to be immanent to his creation through a visible image and Messiah is our immanent Alahim.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Alahim, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Now think for a moment, your doctrine of Trinity states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all Alahim then why had Alahim to declare only to the Son " Thy throne O Alahim is forever and ever..."
Why not to the Holy Spirit " Thy throne O Alahim is forever and ever.."?
That's because Alahim planned within himself that his Divinity be manifested bodily as stated in Col 2:9 'theotes bodily' so that he could reconcile/enjoin his creation to himself through His Son.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that Alahim was in Messiah, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Scriptures show 'immediate creation' 'mediate creation' and 'pro-creation'
Immediate creation and mediate creation is a CREATION. Something made out of nothing.
Adam was immediate creation. Alahim's breath into him made him a living soul Gen 2:7. Let Us in Gen 1:26 is not Alahim conversing with his Son but Alahim planning within himself his Divinity bodily (Eph 1:11). In simple words Alahim is making means of man to be related to him through an image.
Ro 8:29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Alahim's WISDOm/LOGOS is personified because the Logos was externalized finally to be the Son through whom Alahim would relate to mankind. 'Let Us' is Alahim's Logos who was externalized figuratively/prophetically speaking of the SON through whom the creation would relate to himself. Since the Logos and the SON are coterminous and the eternalness of the Logos is the eternalness of the Son it was as though the SON was present at creation because all creation was for HIM. BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.
You cant have the cart before the horse and that's what Trinity does by making the Son an eternal SON.
'Mediate creation'
Alahim's breath was sufficient to create life through a SEED when he said "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth"
Ge 1:28 And Alahim blessed them, and Alahim said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So when a husband and wife come together the life that Alahim breathed into the seed brings forth life in combination of the biological properties of the parents and thus a child is born.
One is born again by the incorruptible seed of Alahim
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word (Logos) of Alahim, which liveth and abideth for ever.
If Messiah is the firstborn-the REAL SON---I FOLLOW HIM because scripture says that he is the firstborn among many brethren.
I am born again through the LOGOS made flesh in me. Messiah in ME the hope of Glory.
Col 1:27 To whom Alahim would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Messiah in you, the hope of glory:
This proves that Alahim's substance was manifested for distribution and not multiplication.
Logos was made flesh and dwelt amongst us John 1:14
I am born again by the same Logos of Alahim (Messiah in me the hope of glory)
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of Alahim doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of Alahim.
Messiah is the SEED. The LOGOS made flesh.
He took not on him the nature of angels but the SEED of ABRAHAM. He is the FIRSTBORN not the ETERNAL BORN as you Trins teach.
Finally 'PRO-CREATION' : The SON was not created but was existent as the LOGOS. John 1:14 And the Logos was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.
He was very much present in the 'immediate creation as I showed you ' Let us' (As a CREATOR)
He was very much present in the 'mediate creation' as I showed you 'SEED' and the 'FIRSTBORN' ( AS A CREATOR)
He is very much present in his 'pro-creation' (AS A CREATOR humbling himself and becoming part of HIS CREATION)
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. Quote from the prophetic Psalm 22:22
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which Alahim hath given me. Isaiah 8:18
ITS ALL ABOUT HIM. THIS IS HOW AND WHY THE SON WAS SENT
Hope this helps?
Messenger
