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My response in Blue:

Quote: Look you haven't develop a  doctrine on just those two scriptures.  You have to have gotten information outside the Bible, which is in violation of Rev 22:18.  You mentioned the Maccabees. That's a violation because it is not a part of Alahim's Word.  [One]  Don't preach to be about the catholics bible because Alahim show me they are not of Messiah.

[Two (a)] The books of  jasher, Nathan , prophecy of Ahijah, Iddo are not part of the Bible, so Alahim did not see fit to put them in because (possibly) they were not completely faithful.  So they are a test to those who would look outside the Bible and develop doctrines which also are not faithful to the Bible.

(b) Also your statement>"Search and u will never find in the bible what this feast was all about which Messiah himself observed" reveals the temptation to which you have succumbed.  You were drawn to "look" outside the Bible to information that CANNOT be consider from Alahim, but from man. And we know how corrupt man has been. End Quote

You accuse me of getting information outside the bible. You are saying as though the dates 1988, 1994, May 21st 2011, Oct 2011 and now Oct 2015 are mentioned in the bible? These are dates formulated by carnal men and derived from a calendar which is man made by adding and multiplying ages of patriarchs and men from bible. 2 dates have failed and yet you are deceived by the beast to believe a 3rd date and then there will be a 4th date and the story never ends. Let Alahim be the judge. I myself was deceived by this but thank Alahim that this deception worked out for my good because Messiah opened my eyes to see who Mystery Babylon is.
This information you are boasting about is neither found in the pages of the bible but yet you derived it so you violated Rev 22:18.
I made it clear to you that I did not formulate a doctrine with a date in it when I shared with you on Hanukah. I was only showing Daniel's 1335 days because the prophecy to us is spiritual. Moreover if you were a true bible student you would search out the matter to understand what feast of dedication/Hanukah means because Jews observed it and so did Messiah. Jews still observe it.

Moreover the prophecy had a literal fulfillment when Alexander the great divided his kingdom with his 4 generals and Daniel prophesied of this. Here is the prophecy.

Da 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

I am not asking you to look beyond the bible to formulate a doctrine but then is Alahim just casually telling us that those who wait till 1335 days are blessed? Is it?

Da 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Alahim uses these numbers spiritually teaching us truths from his word through prophecy which was fulfilled literally. Messiah died exactly at the time of Passover/Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and scripture says Re 19:10 ......for the testimony of Yahusha is the spirit of prophecy. This testimony of Messiah is borne by the elect of Messiah and Alahim uses the number 1260 or time, times and dividing of time to show that they carry this testimony. Alahim uses the Jewish feasts to show the setting of these spiritual numbers so that we understand the prophecy. Hanukah/Chanukah was exactly 75 days from the day of Atonement 1260+75 =1335 days of Daniel.

You folks got the 2300 days wrong as you see it in 1988 when according to your wonder beastly calendar it started then but Daniel's prophecy of 2300 days was fulfilled in the days when the Greece Empire put it fangs in Jerusalem and the temple was rededicated and hence the Jews celebrate Chanukah/Hanukah to this day. Your wonder calendar ignores this feast because the beast will never understand the significance of true prophecy.

Here are the verses: Da 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
 15 ¶ And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

This happened around 167 BC when Alexander's Grecian empire was divided among 4 notable horns.

Da 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

Prophecy is always spiritual and though literally fulfilled in the days when the temple was cleansed and rededicated by the candle stick being lit and daily restored (Hanukah) the true temple of Messiah is his elect and hence the time of the end will have a likewise spiritual fulfillment. Unfortunately the beast doesn't understand spiritual things so by his dark sentences wisdom he derived a calendar with dates which are multiples and addition of dates and ages to arrive at dates which are deceiving. While the date prediction as per the calendar was wrong you still sent it across to me saying Glory to Alahim. How can you be so deceived to believe it? If May 21 2011 and Oct 21 2011 did not happen then all those formulas to arrive at these dates itself is wrong and the information outside the bible straight from the pit of hell.

Da 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said,Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Alahim uses the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 8 from a literal fulfillment (in Grecian rule) to show us it’s spirituality. He further established this by a literal fulfillment of death of Messiah on day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), and pouring of Holy Ghost on day of Pentecost (Shavu'ot) and Hanukah/Festival of lights to end it by restoring the candle light in New Jerusalem and he is the light of the New Jerusalem.

Re 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of Alahim did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The Abomination of desolation is nothing but a diluted gospel which doesn't save because the gospel looks spiritual but it is from Satan because he is in the midst of it. I already shared with you the Zec 5:6-11 passages which show this.

Zechariah 5:6-11 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. [7] And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. [8] And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. [9] Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. [10] Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? [11] And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. 

Ephah was a sin offering and the woman in the midst of it was Mystery Babylon which dilutes the gospel. It’s like the image set up by Antiochus in the Jewish temple (during the Grecian empire) which was Abominable.

Re 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Messiah’s servants were seduced and fornicated with the whore and they repent of their fornication of those abominable doctrines of Mystery Babylon.

Quote: {Three]  " I will come" is Spiritual which Alahim shows us; so is the same as His Judgment upon the world upto the 'last day'.

[Four] The removal of the candlestick speaks of the church age, and perfectly aligns and parallels with Alahim's judgments He brought upon the nation of Israel at the cross, as the same He has done on the churches, because of the heart of man. As the parable in Matt 21:33- 41 shows.

Hence, Matt 21:41  They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men (Israelites), and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen (Church age), which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

When Messiah was crucified Alahim rent the temple vale into and accomplished two exposed purposes, the way to the YAHUAH was opened directly to His elect (finished with the nation of Israel and given to the gentiles/church age) and (Messiah) He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease as prophecied in Daniel 9:24-27.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I hope your understanding of this passage isn't what the churches have been teaching that the one who causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease is the devil and not Messiah. If you understand it is Messiah then we can move forward.  If you want to see an excellent study that shows it has to be Messiah and is in perfect harmony with the whole Bible then check this out.  It is well worth the comparing scriptures with scriptures.

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/70wks.html

The vineyard in the parable above represents Alahim's place where Alahim was working His salvation (fruits) and Alahim has shown this same vineyard that was given to 'otherhusbandmen' is prophesied in Isaiah 5.  And for sure we have a perfect timeline as to when Messiah was crucified on April 1, 33AD  of if you prefer was on the Passover (a Friday) 11045 years from creation.

There are thousands of scriptures, that Alahim uses to bring His Word into perfect understanding as regarding these last days.

Shodan, my hope is Alahim will give you the desire to check out all this and much more and not lean on the studies you have already 'accepted' as sound doctrine.  If you do and if you find any discrepancies. I will gladly look at them

But in the end all understanding from Alahim (His Spirit) will be His doing and will be found 'only' from the Bible.

Glory to Alahim in the highest,

Roger

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You are misinterpreting Daniel 9:27. The One week/7 days of Daniel is spiritual

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The covenant made was with his sacrifice (Passover). Messiah is the Passover lamb. The Israelites were told to eat unleavened bread with it and the eating of the unleavened bread was for 7 days which was a reminder of their SOJOURN (for details on blessedness of Sojourning read my study 430 or 400 years in Egypt which is on my blog)

De 16:1 ¶ Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the YAHUAH thy Alahim: for in the month of Abib the YAHUAH thy Alahim brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the YAHUAH thy Alahim, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the YAHUAH shall choose to place his name there.3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there anything of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.

But because his people who are called by his name fornicate with the whore (leaven of sin) and forget their sojourn and start living lawless lives fornicating with Mystery Babylon by following her false doctrines he causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease by allowing all of them to go into captivity. This picture can be seen by the woman in the midst of the ephah in the Zechariah passages.

Ho 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.9 ¶ O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

The Yahuah says he will be like a lion, as a leopard and as a bear (beastly kingdoms of Satan) bereaved of her whelps to his people and tear them up. These all include foolish and wise virgins. All slumbered and slept and forgot their SOJOURN.

Mt 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

The midnight cry came from the false prophet of the 8^th beast himself who is of the 7^th (Rev 17:11) and not from a so called secret coming of Messiah to take away the candle stick but through the calendar and eschatology you are following now which came from the mouth of the beast. Hearing this cry both foolish and wise virgins came out to meet the bridegroom which shows they both were deceived but wise understood and saw this deception but foolish continue with the beast and his wonder.

Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

By his tail (false prophet) Satan cast the third part of the stars of heaven (elect) and cast them to the earth.

Re 12:4 And his (dragon’s) tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Isa 9:14 Therefore the YAHUAH will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

He causes fire to come down from heaven (as though it was a wonder from Alahim himself) and your calendar and eschatology is this wonder.

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Da 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the Alahim of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

That is how the Yahuah met his people as the lion, leopard and as a bear bereaved of her whelps.

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Da 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

When the false prophet of the 8^th beast cried there was silence in heaven for space of half an hour because it was the time of his rule allotted to him. This information came to Alahim’s people at the final 7^th seal which shows the time is very short.

Re 8:1 ¶ And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

The half an hour of Rev 8:1 and midst of week of Daniel 9:27 is synonymous to the MIDNIGHT CRY to come out to meet the bridegroom. By this cry the wise virgins came out to only see that they were deceived and Messiah gives his elect understanding by showing them who MYSTERY BABYLON is and that they must repent of their wickedness of fornicating with her. Their deception by the beast worked to their awakening to truth because they heard and understood who Mystery Babylon is now from the voice that came from heaven.

Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The focus of GT is Messiah and his elect and not corporate churches. We have sinned not they only. Your eschatology is ‘I’m safe outside the church’ and woe to the churches but the beast himself called you outside the church and what are you doing? 

My prayer is that the Yahuah open the eyes of your understanding that you come out of this deception and see who Mystery Babylon is.

Quote: If you get the last one answered just from the Bible.  Then please answer this one. 

When the false prophet of the 8

^th beast cried there was silence in heaven for space of half an hour because it was the time of his rule allotted to him. This information came to Alahim’s people at the final 7^th seal which shows the time is very short.

Show how you arrived at the "8th beast cried and there was silence in heaven for a space of half an hour". End Quote

The beast is given unto him a mouth. His power is in his MOUTH because by it he gives the cry to go out to meet the bridegroom and all go to out to meet the false christ and believe a false gospel.These are spiritual things and only can be understood by comparing spiritual with spiritual

Re 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

 19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Isa 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of Alahim Almighty.

Now for the verses to show this.John talks of ten horns/kings which have received no kingdom as yet-these shall receive power as kings one hour with the beast. We must see in the context that John is saying these things

Re 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Now for the context:

Re 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

There are eight beastly rules of Satan throughout time on earth and the eighth is of the seven. John is told here is the mind which hath wisdom and this wisdom is that Mystery Babylon is ruling on all these 7 beastly rules. 

Read verse 10 there are seven kings and five are fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon,Medes Persia and Greece are the 5 beasts fallen) and one is (Rome was ruling when John wrote Revelation and went on to be the longest rule as this was the 4th dreaded beast of Daniel 7) and one is yet to come (the 7th beast which was the little horn from Rome-all those who came out of Rome). Are you with me till here?

Now verse 11 the beast that was and is not and yet is, is the eighth and is from the seven and goes into perdition. The ten horns/kings which have no kingdom yet(because the 8th beast was not yet come) will receive power one hour with the beast and they will give their power and strength to this beast.

Now for the space of half an hour

The opening of seals is the revealing of events which were sealed or hidden. Daniel was told that the vision was shut up till the time of the end

Da 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Yahuah, what shall be the end of these things?

 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end

Now we read that when Messiah opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for half an hour. This was the darkest part of the hour because this 8th beast was given the mouth and power was in his mouth. He gave the midnight cry and took all (both foolish and wise virgins) to meet the false Messiah

Re 8:1 ¶ And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

The wise virgins fornicated with the WHORE and hence there was silence of the true gospel in the kingdom of heaven for half and hour while they fornicated while the 10 horns/kings which had no kingdom yet continued to rule with the beast for the complete one hour. The silence is broken with the voice from Alahim out of heaven to come out of MYSTERY BABYLON. The wise realized that the call was to come out of Mystery Babylon and not a local church and Mystery Babylon is the lawlessness within and not outside.

The man of sin seated in the temple is not Satan sitting in the church but us. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and the works of wood, hay and stubble will be burnt by the fire of GT and elect will suffer loss but he himself shall be saved yet as by fire.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of Alahim, and that the Spirit of Alahim dwelleth in you?

 17 If any man defile the temple of Alahim, him shall Alahim destroy; for the temple of Alahim is holy, which temple ye are.

Paul spoke saying that day will not come until the falling away comes first and the falling away is the elect of Alahim fornicating with the WHORE

2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The call to come out of Mystery Babylon brought the unsealing of the prophecies of  Daniel which were shut up till the time of the end. The elect now understand that the false prophet's cry to meet the bridegroom was to take them captive to a false Messiah and a false gospel and they come out of Mystery Babylon and stand afar off for the fear of her torment and weep and lament and mourn.

One more thing in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins the foolish virgins lamps were already gone out

Mt 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

In the candle stick the continuous supply of oil is given so that the fire keeps burning but their fire was already out and they met the false Messiah who satisfied their desire and gave them the strange fire.

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 

While the wise virgins works were burned by fire (because they fornicated with the whore: slumbered and slept) they themselves were saved yet as so by the fire which was still there in their lamps because that was the true fire from heaven.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Alahim's covenant with Living Creatures

Genesis 9:12-16 And Alahim said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: [13] I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. [14] And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: [15] And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. [16] And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between Alahim and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

From the first glance it seems that Alahim is telling Noah that he will never again destroy all flesh but if you microscope your examination of the verses and see that Alahim is telling Noah that the token of covenant would be between Him and Noah and every LIVING CREATURE with him(verse 12) and in verse 15 between Alahim and Noah and every living creature of all flesh. Alahim gave a sign of the covenant and the sign was the rainbow in the cloud.

Mr 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush Alahim spake unto him, saying, I am the Alahim of Abraham, and the Alahim of Isaac, and the Alahim of Jacob?

 27 He is not the Alahim of the dead, but the Alahim of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Who are the living creatures? The elect of course. We can see spiritual imagery concerning the description of the living creatures in the book of Ezekiel and Revelation. Before we see the imagery let's also examine the RAINBOW passages which show Alahim's faithfulness to his covenant.

We see John describing Messiah in a spiritual imagery. The rainbow on his head shows that Messiah has got the covenant in his mind which he has with his elect always. A continuous/perpetual reminder of that covenant.

Re 10:1 ¶ And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

We see a similar imagery when John describes Alahim's throne, he mentions that there was a RAINBOW roung about the throne.

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Because of Alahim's covenant with LIVING CREATURES these will never be consumed by the wrath of Alahim.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Yahuah , I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Alahim is mindful of his covenant which he made.

Now for the vision of the 4 LIVING CREATURES and the SPIRITUAL IMAGERY

Ezekiel 1:5-6, 10 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. [6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [10] As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

This is an imagery of his elect which have the likeness of Messiah in them and the 4 faces are symbolic of the 4 gospels(the true gospel of Messiah) in all ages which goes out to the ends of the earth saving Alahim's remnant.

Ezekiel 1:13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

These living creatures were like burning coals of fire which is their cleansing in the refiners fire of Great tribulation.

 Ge 15:17 ¶ And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

If you have read the post on Am I weaned or under suck we saw the 5 sacrifices which Alahim commanded Abraham to lay which point out to the sacrifice of Messiah and the burning lamp of fire between the divided pieces of the sacrifice shows the fire of Great Tribulation that Messiah himself went through and so do his people.

 Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Yahuah is my Alahim.

Now coming back to the throne where John saw was surrounded by the RAINBOW and in the midst and round the throne were the four beasts full of eyes before, behind and within and cry out day and night acknowledging the YAHUAHSHIP of CHRIST.

Revelation 4:6-8 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. [7] And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. [8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him ; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Yahuah Alahim Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

John saw the same four living creatures of Ezekiel and describes them as four beasts around the throne within that covenant of RAINBOW

Re 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of Alahim and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Notice the words COME AND SEE preached by one of the four beasts which show elect have the understanding and invite others to come and see/understand the Revelation of Messiah.Also notice that John says these 4 beasts have eyes before and behind and within which is symbolic of complete revelation of who Messiah is. 

The symbolism of  the beasts full of eyes

Before: foresight, seeing and understanding prophecy
 Behind: understand prophecy which was fulfilled 
Within: DEEP THINGS OF GOD/hidden mysteries

They cry day and night and acknowledge Alahim who was who is and who is to come.

Who was who is and who is to come is in response to their understanding of who Alahim was (eyes behind) who is (eyes within) who is to come( eyes in the front). They have a complete picture and revelation of the mystery of Messiah. Who he was, how he came out of Alahim and went back to Alahim.

Ezekiel saw these living creatures bearing the glory of Alahim.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of Alahim, and not of us.

There is so much spiritual imagery in Alahim's word. Finally the rainbow around the throne with the 4 living creatures or beasts within that rainbow is a beautiful picture of Alahim's covenant with his elect

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.


Eze 1:26 ¶ And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the YAHUAH. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

AM I WEANED OR UNDER SUCK?

In the study 400 or 430 years in Mitsyarim/Egypt we saw that the barayat/covenant was in full force when the bondwoman and her son were cast out because Yitsaq/Issac was under threat of Yashmael/Ishmael being the HEIR so the covenant couldn't have come in force with the son of the bondwoman living under the same roof. For details you may refer to my study in the following link : https://www.facebook.com/notes/shodan-agnel-dsouza/was-yasharal-400-years-or-430-years-in-mitsyarim-egypt/10211135919055165/


That's the time when Yitsaq/Issac was not under any tutor(nurse) but WEANED and this would be around the age of 5. The scriptures don't tell us the exact age of Issac when he was weaned but the pattern definitely shows to the number 5 and we will see and understand this pattern in this study.
Just to reiterate we also saw that we are children of promise as Isaac was IN MASHIYACH who is the SEED of ABRAHAM

Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Messiah.

Ga 3:29 And if ye be Messiah's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, the seed of Abraham by conception by the Ruach/Spirit is Messiah and we who are in Messiah are counted for the seed in YITSAQ/ISAAC.

 Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Yitsaq/Isaac was, are the children of promise

So if we are as Yitsaq/Issac children of promise the question I need to ask myself is am I weaned or still under SUCK/TUTOR?

Just to reiterate in the study 400 or 430 years in Egypt we saw evidence of royal sons under nursing and we saw Mephibosheth and Moses as examples. We need to understand the significance of being under nursing/tutor from scriptures.

2Sa 4:4 And Yahunathan/ Jonathan, Saul's son, had a son that was lame of his feet. He was five years old when the tidings came of Saul and Yahunathan/Jonathan out of  Yazrael/Jezreel, and his nurse took him up, and fled: and it came to pass, as she made haste to flee, that he fell, and became lame. And his name was Mephibosheth.

Mephibosheth was Yahunathan/Jonathan's son who became lame in the feet as his nurse dropped him. Many infants were assigned nurses especially those of royal ranks and Yahunathan was Saul's son (of royal rank as Saul was king) but usually the mother's nursed their own children. Here Mephiboseth was 5 years old and still was nursed which usually is an age of completion of Nursing and the child is WEANED.

Moses was also nursed: Ex 2:9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child and nursed it.

We have many examples of weaning in scriptures but apart from the Mephibosheth example there are no direct scriptures which say at the age of 5 a child was WEANED. So it's mandatory that we search the scriptures to see the pattern. This study will help us do that. Firstly we must see why one of the ten commandments states to honor the father and mother. Let's view the commandment in the view of spiritual vs spiritual comparison.

Yahusha taught us in the new covenant that the ten commandments summarize as 2 commands:

1. Love Yahuah your Alahym with all your heart, mind, soul and strength & 2. Love your neighbour as yourself.  The command of honouring father and mother falls in the first set of commands. 

Deut 5:16 Kabad/Glorify your father and your mother, as Yahuah your El has commanded you, that your days may be prolonged and that it may go well with you on the land which Yahuah your El gives you.

The word 'kabad' H3513 is translated in English here as 'Honor' but it is the same word for 'glory/esteem'

While the physical command stood binding and even so stands today as Yahusha rebuked the Pharisees for teaching people that if anyone had a gift to give his father and mother and if he said its Qarban he or she has not sinned...

Mark 7:10 “For Moshe said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’”;

Mark 7:11 “but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Qarban (that is to say, given to Elohim),’”

Mark 7:12 “you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother”;

Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of the Elohim by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.

H7133 Qarban has 82 occurrences in the OT and means something brought near the altar, that is, a sacrificial present: - oblation that is offered, offering.

Qarban comes from the root word ‘qarab’ H7126, H7127 & H7138 which means ‘offer, come near, approach, be near’

Ban in Qarban means Son

The word ‘Qarab’ has the root words ‘qar’ which means ‘call’ and ‘rab’ which means ‘master’.

Hence, it's the call/qar of the rab/master who is the Son/ban

Before Turah came written on tablets of Stone qarban was taught by the father and mother to their sons and daughters, sacrificing to Yahuah to be in covenant with him and of the promised Messiah who would be that offering. Habal/Abel, Abraham, Yitsaq, Yaaqob were all before the Turah came written on stones and were taught Qarban by the father and mother... Remember the mother/am played an important role in weaning her child as she was responsible to bring her child in fear and admonition of Yahuah. The father was equally responsible in teaching dabar to his weaned sons and daughters.

For detailed study on Qarban you may visit here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/shodan-agnel-dsouza/qarban/10212880128139302/

The father/ahb and mother/am were qodesh who taught their children the way of Yahuah and hence...Ex 20:12; 21:17; Le 20:9; De 5:16; Pr 20:20 where it says that whosoever curseth his father and mother shall surely put to death.

Gen 28:1  And Yitsḥaq called Yaʽaqoḇ and blessed him, and commanded him, and said to him, “Do not take a wife from the daughters of Kenaʽan. 
Gen 28:2  “Arise, go to Paddan Aram, to the house of Bethu’ĕl your mother’s father. And take a wife for yourself from there, from the daughters of Laḇan your mother’s brother. 
Gen 28:3  “And Ěl Shaddai bless you, and make you bear fruit and increase you, and you shall become an assembly of peoples, 
Gen 28:4  and give you the blessing of Aḇraham, to you and your seed with you, so that you inherit the land of your sojournings, which Elohim gave to Aḇraham.” 
Gen 28:5  So Yitsḥaq sent Yaʽaqoḇ away, and he went to Paddan Aram, to Laḇan son of Bethu’ĕl the Aramean, the brother of Riḇqah, the mother of Yaʽaqoḇ and Ěsaw. 
Esau Marries an Ishmaelite
Gen 28:6  And Ěsaw saw that Yitsḥaq had blessed Yaʽaqoḇ and sent him away to Paddan Aram to take himself a wife from there, and that as he blessed him he gave him a command, saying, “Do not take a wife from the daughters of Kenaʽan,” 

Gen 28:7  and that Yaʽaqoḇ had obeyed his father and his mother and had gone to Paddan Aram. 

The father and mother even taught their children to take wife and husband from among Yasharal and not from pagan gentile nations. The father and mother taught the call of the Master who is the Son (Qarban) to come near the altar in seeing.

Hence the glory of the Father and Mother was a ruach blessing even passed on to children's children. Hence, we see when Yitsaq blessing Yaaqob Esau lost his bakar/firstfruit barakath/blessing because he disregarded the firstborn sonship blessing who was Messiah's salvation. We also see Yaaqob blessing his twelve sons who were progenitors of Yasharal the nation which sprang from them as 12 tribes. 

Spiritually since the covenant was made with Abraham (and his name has the Ahb in it ) the spiritual seed Qarban would spring forth from him who is Mashiyach. Also Sarah which has the Sar/ruler and rah/to see is typified as Mother Yerushalam.

Gal 4:22  For it has been written that Aḇraham had two sons, one by a female servant, the other by a free woman.

 23  But he who was of the female servant/Hagar was born according to the flesh, and he of the free woman /Sarah through promise.

 24  This is allegorical, for these are the two covenants: one indeed from Mount Sinai which brings forth slavery, which is Haḡar,

 25  for this Haḡar is Mount Sinai in Araḇia, and corresponds to Yerushalayim which now is, and is in slavery with her children.

 26  But the Yerushalayim above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 27  For it has been written, “Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who do not have birth pains! For the deserted one has many more children than she who has a husband.” 

 28  And we, brothers, as Yitsḥaq was, are children of promise.

Gal 3:16  But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed, who is Messiah.

So we see the Qar/call of the rab/master ban/Son drawing us close to the altar to see Yahuah Yarah which means in the mount of Yah he will be seen/rah & who was seen? YAHUSHA. The word rah in Resh alaph hey is a root word in Sarah name.

The rah is the fear of Alahym which comes when we see the awesome sacrifice /qarban of the Son. Thus anyone cursing father and mother, anyone saying Qarban by despising the father and mother will be killed by second death because he despises the birthright /bakar barakah/blessing, he despises qarban/sacrifice, he despises Turah and Dabar as taught to him by his father who stands in place of Covenanted Father Abraham and Mother Sarah who stands for New Yerushalam where he has potential to go through the way of Qarban. While the carnal command called for stoning of the son who despised his father and mother who taught him the way the spiritual command is hidden in the physical.

You can read my study on Qarban to understand how in Mashiyach we become a Qarban ...As Yahusha left his fatherhood and Mother Yerushalam to become one flesh with us fulfilling Gen 2:24

Gen 2:24  For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 

The ‘ashah’ /wife i.e.WE were taken from the ‘aysh/man or husband's and are of his bones and of his flesh. She becomes one in his offering/qarban to the father in fulfilling perfect obedience by honoring the father and mother and also is an offering/qarban set apart for us in calling us to enjoin with him.

Heb 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the coming near/qarabath offering/qarban of the body of Yahusha the Mashiyach once for all

Pro 1:8  My son, heed the discipline of your father, And do not forsake the Torah of your mother; 

Pro 1:9  For they are a fair wreath on your head, And chains about your neck. 

The commandment was obeyed by Yahusha on our behalf and it is he who reveals to us who the Ahb/father is and who the am/mother is. In him we become the ashah/fire offering like Qarban in him thus being able to perfectly obey the command of kabod/glorfying ahb/father and am/mother, for the covenant was made with Abraham the father/Ahb of multitudes and Sarah the princess bearing the prince/sar flowing /rah through her from whom comes the seed as stars.

Abraham: The name Abraham has root words Ahb/father abar/fly ham/waters

The fathers wings fluttering over many waters

We see this picture in Gen 1:2

Gen 1:2  And the earth came to be formless and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Elohim was fluttering on the face of the waters.

Sarah: Sarah is actually with samek not shin

Sah is root in Sarah's name which means 'sheep'

Sar/prince rah/flowing sah/sheep

'From the prince is flowing the sheep'

The word basarah which means 'good news'/Gospel' has Sarah rooted in it

Basarah: Ba means 'IN'  Sarah

Who is in the womb of Sarah?  The promised seed.

So we need to look at the covenant father Abraham and Mother Sarah who represent the Heavenly Father and New Yerushalam.

Ba/in basar/flesh Sarah/princess ----in the flesh in Sarah

'Yahusha came in the flesh'

All in Yitsaq/Issac are weaned and not under suck of breasts or under a nurse 

Gal 3:23  But before belief came, we were being guarded under Torah, having been shut up for the belief being about to be revealed. 
Gal 3:24  Therefore the Torah became our firm truth/amanat unto Mashiyach, in order to be declared right by belief. 
Gal 3:25  And after another/acharay belief has come, we are no longer/aud under/tachat hand/yod haaman/of belief. 
Gal 3:26  For you are all sons of Elohim through belief in Messiah יהושע. 
Gal 3:27  For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. 
Gal 3:28  There is not Yehuḏite nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. 

Gal 3:29  And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise. 

The 'hand of belief' is the father and mother or the nurse who would wean the child till he is able to establish right from wrong from Turah. The Greek to English translations are a big error as they use 'tutor' for 'amanat' whereas 'aman' means 'firm' and 'amat' means 'truth'. They also omitted 'acharay' which means 'another' in the English translation and the 'yod' which means hand'. Now this makes a lot of sense in what Shaul is saying as it ties up with what nursing and weaning a child meant in Turah.

Heirs of the promise and the Abrahamic covenant is in full force in a weaned Yitsaq/Issac who is able to discern between good and evil.

Hebrews 5:13-14 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. [14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

5 foolish virgins are those who suck breasts and the 5 wise virgins are the weaned ones eating strong meat. The 5 foolish virgins got grace and the stake right but went to Hagar to buy oil while the 5 wise virgins were ready to meet Yahusha as they were weaned from  BA (in) SARAH. 

We see the number 5 used in 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins.

What Mephibosheth lost when he was 5 years old was restored as he ate at the kings table for the rest of his life. 

 2Sa 9:10 Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread always at my table. Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants.

Benoni means son of my sorrow. His name was changed by Yaaqob to Benyamin which means son of my right hand. His portion of food was 5 times more than his brethren given by Yoseph a type of Messiah and Benyamin represents all weaned sons of Alahym.

Ge 43:34 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benyamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Ge 45:22 To all of them he gave each man changes of raiment; but to Benyamin he gave three hundred pieces of silver, and five changes of raiment.

Luke 12:6-7 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before Alahym? [7] But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

5 sparrows sold for 2 farthings likened to elect who are more valued than sparrows.

Leviticus 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

The tabernacle was measured in 5's. Read Exodus 25-27 chapters

Daniel prophesied of the 5 the kingdom as eternal in Daniel 2. Here are the verses

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things : and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Out of the 4th beastly kingdom comes out kings continuing the beastly rules.

Daniel 2:42-44 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [44] And in the days of these kings shall the Alahym of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Read first part of verse 44 which says 'In the days of these kings Alahym will set up an eternal kingdom'. 

Number 5 is associated with those in full force of Abrahamic covenant.

In Yitsaq/Issac the promised one who was weaned and no longer under tutors( nursing) but eating strong meat having his senses exercised to do good and shun evil.

Isa 28:9 ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Genesis 15:7-13 And he said unto him, I am the Yahuah that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. [8] And he said, Yahuah Alahym , whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? [9] And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a young goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. [10] And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. [11] And when the fowls came down upon the carcasses, Abram drove them away. [12] And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. [13] And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

I'm going to share few observations on the above passages.

Abraham questions Alahym when his seed would inherit the promised land. Alahym asks him to take an heifer three years old, a young goat three years old, a ram three years old, and a dove and pigeon. All these were permitted in the sacrifice which speaks of atonement with dove and pigeon being poor mans atonement sacrifice. All these 5 sacrifices speak of Messiah's sacrifice and again we see the number 5 associated with the 400 years of affliction with it's starting point being when Yitsaq/Issac was 5 years old and the HEIR as the bondwoman and her son are cast out.

Luke 2:22-24 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Yahuah; [23] (As it is written in the law of the Yahuah, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Yahuah;) [24] And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Yahuah, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Mary and Joseph offered a pair of turtle doves and pair of pigeons when Messiah was presented. The sacrifices three years old and the fire that passed through the divided pieces show Messiah and his third part in Great Tribulation fire.

Abraham drove the fowls who came to eat the sacrifice which shows Alahym protects his third part through Satan whereas the flesh of the whore is eaten.

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

And so also those who are captivated by the beast, their flesh is eaten. The eating of flesh is symbolic of devouring and Alahym protects his elect from the devouring. Satan may persecute us and afflict us with all sorts of problems but he cannot devour us (affect our salvation).

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The sun was going down when a deep sleep fell on Abraham when a horror of darkness fell on Abraham

Deuteronomy 16:6 But at the place which the Yahuah thy Alahym shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

This points to Messiah death and our lives hidden in him. Passover lamb sacrificed at sun going down. The law which came much later said not to divide the turtle doves or pigeons.

Leviticus 1:14-17 And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the Yahuah be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons. [15] And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: [16] And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes: [17] And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Yahuah .

When Messiah was presented in the temple Mary/Miriam and Joseph/Yoseph offered turtle doves and pigeons a pair each. The birds were not to be divided because they were already offered in a pair.

And the offering of the pair of turtle doves and pair of young pigeons was a poor mans sacrifice which pointed to his poverty for our sakes.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Yahusha Messiah, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Hebrews 13:12-13 Wherefore Yahusha also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

We are commanded to bear his reproach. The turtle dove and young pigeons speak of his poverty and the reproach Messiah took on him and we bearing his reproach.

2 Corinthians 4:8-10 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; [9] Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; [10] Always bearing about in the body the dying of Yahusha, that the life also of Yahusha might be made manifest in our body.

So here we have Alahym showing us spiritual imagery of the Great Tribulation his own Son went through and we the elect in him. The seed of Abraham was Messiah and we in Messiah as Isaac are the promised ones. The one who is WEANED and not under any NURSE or SUCK but those who are outside of Alahym's covenant and are trampling the court are the sucking child's who have no discernment of good and evil and can't exercise their senses to discern between good and evil. They are under nurses who teach them doctrines of milk and they are DEVOURED because they can't understand truth.

Lu 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

La 4:4 The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them.

So the question AM I WEANED OR STILL UNDER SUCK?